LS Re: Explain the subject-object metaphysics

Horse (
Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:18:56 +0100

Hi Squad
"It is one of the most tormenting problems of the physics to which
positivism looks for guidance. The torment occurs not because of
anything discovered in the laboratory. Data are data. It is the
intellectual framework with which one deals with the data that is at
fault. The fault is within [a] subject-object metephysics itself."

"A conventional subject-object metaphysics uses the four......"

"When a subject-object metaphysics regards matter and mind as
eternally seperate and eternally unalike it creates a platypus bigger
than the solar system."

Although the above is not necessarily representative of the rest of
Lila, I think it seems reasonable to suggest that Pirsig is not making
reference to some tome called "The Subject-Object Metaphysics - a
Definition". The SOM of Lila is a metaphorical tool used to represent
a taxonomic structure (in the broad sense of the word). The taxons are
not "subject" and "object" but A OR not A. Something is one thing or
it is another. Dualism. The law of the excluded middle.
MoQ gets around this by assuming that all things are A AND NOT A.

In Subjects, Objects, Data and Value (SODV) Pirsig again fails to
refer to THE subject-object metaphysics.

>From what I have seen from Squad postings, the biggest problem to get
around, and one that the 'Church of Reason' latches onto is that the
MoQ does not kill SOM, it embraces and devours it, making it part of
the MoQ. It reduces it to a one PART of reality, not reality itself
and especially not the whole model. The map of reality is unfolding
and the part we are at now is where MoQ will take us.

I'm off on holiday for a week with the family - and Zen, Lila, and

See you when I get back


"Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name.
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game"
Jagger and Richard - Sympathy for the Devil

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