LS Re: Four levels of Being--E F Schumacher

Bodvar Skutvik (
Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:31:19 +0100

Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:50:07 +0000
 Andrew Russell wrote:

> So Bo - if I've missed the point, PLEASE enlighten me. If you've read
> Ken
> Wilber, and you find that his work doesn't resound with Quality, perhaps
> you can help me understand why. And if the moment the sun breaks the
> dawn
> sky isn't Quality, and your last post IS Quality, then God save us all.
> Andy
> "The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the
> point, however, is to change it."
> - Karl Marx
> P.S. I'm overreacting on purpose. But this smug complacency does not
> strike me as having much Quality at all.

Dear Andy
No ill feelings from my side. I liked your post and hope that Maggie
will give me a spanking too.

My point was - and still is - is that one may find some congruous
passages with two philosophers, but the more fundamental one gets
my support, and as told, I find nothing like Pirsig's grand
metaphysical shift with Ken Wilber. Show me the part in Wilber's
writings that disproves me and I'll prostrate myself.

If I had found it, I would even say that Wilber is a better writer
than Pirsig, but W. is a successful insider starting from the
established Subject-Object myth, while the madman Phaedrus was
alienated enough to wander outside the "city walls" and from out
there saw a new perspective.

I am not so terribly occupied with the term "Quality" (although it is
SOM's weak spot (Glove's "enabler"?)), he may have called it anything,
but it's the Dynamic-Static division replacing S-O which - for
me - opened up a complete new vista and solved my own vague ills.

Andy, I could have listed reams of passages from W's "Up from Eden"
which is just spot on (my copy is full of underlinings), but without
the new metaphysical ground it is merely splendid - not DISTURBING!
I was afraid that if not this point was made we may get lost in all
sorts of brighter writings. In the early days we had the same
dispute over Danah Zohar's work (My Quantum Self). She walks to the
brink of a Q-insight but - in horror or ... falls back to SOM.


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