LS Re: new vocabulary?

Ant McWatt (
Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:39:00 +0100

On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Donald T Palmgren
<> wrote:

> I decided just to run this up the flagpole and see who salutes.
> I think pirsig made a mistake by choosing the words 'static
> patterns.' I think the words 'preduring (or 'long-lasting) rhythms' is
> clearer. 'pattern' is too spacial and just-sitting-there. 'Rhythm'
> implyes time and activity.
> For me, the key to the whole 'paterns of value' idea comes, not in
> LILA, but in the Afterward to ZMM in which pirsig meditates on the death
> of Chris and realizes (a Greek thought!!) that what he misses is a certain
> set of social patterns. That is what Chris *really* was. His personalty
> was a complex of social value rhythms -- interupted perminatly by his
> death.
> Anyway, what do you think? Is 'preduring rhythms' better than
> 'static patterns?' This is my proposed, small improvement on pirsig's
> MoQ.
> (Of course then we'd all have to get used to typing 'SocRoV' and
> 'IntRoV,' and I guess we'd have 'pq/DQ'...)
> TTFN (ta-ta for now)
> Donny
19th August 1998

I did suggest "stable" patterns of value to Pirsig once (as
"static" can be confused with the Newtonian term) but I
never received any reply to this query.


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